Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. More than three years later, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) released its final report and said a string of errors and miscues were behind the accident. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved,. Adopted: March . ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Why was previously published brief by the NTSB completely scrubbed from their website? The aircraft sustained substantial damage, as can be seen in the pictures released by the NTSB. The final straw was flying in IMC into a bay surrounded by mountains to eht to a local village (Alaska) the villagers complained loudly. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. CommutAir/United Express #UA4933 from Newark landed in Presque Isle and left the runway to the right. I had an employee that was a good stick and rudder pilot but horrible decision maker, cocky, and just did stupid shit like rolling a company 207. They found that on the initial approach the crew executed a go-around as they weren't able to establish the runway, they saw snow and a structure with an antenna but no runway. The report indicated that Golden State was leading at halftime 58-49. Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. The Daigles were still at the airport as of 2 p.m. after having been interviewed by emergency medical technicians and a United representative, Daigle said. Published by on June 29, 2022. You must log in or register to reply here. [1]:7[6] The airport was closed in reaction to the accident. March 17, 2020. The NTSB concluded that the probable cause of the accident was confirmation bias which prompted the crew to continue descending even though they had not positively identified the runway. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. I do not see how PRD will help that kind of situation. [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. I never had an issue, but she could be very abrasive, especially toward FAs. Also big Yikes. This information is not presented as the Flight Safety Foundation or the Aviation Safety Networks opinion as to the cause of the accident. She nearly received a crew room beat down from one of my favorite ( but also very hot blooded) flight attendants. The line is connecting ADS-B datapoints from FlightAware. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. It is not clear what may have caused this to happen, Smith said. The airplanes instruments indicated that the aircraft was located to the left of the ILS course. Presque Isle International Airport will be closed until further notice as representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration investigate, Smith said. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The Aviation Herald offers quite sophisticated criteria to enable you select exactly those news, that are of real interest to you. I bet the Captain's story is, its the planes fault, or the airports fault? Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. JavaScript is disabled. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. Anyone got any suggestions? By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. The pilots conversed directly with airport maintenance staff because Presque Isle International Airport did not have a local, National Transportation Safety Board Aviation Accident Final Report, "NTSB: United Express plane missed runway in Presque Isle", "5 injured after flight from Newark slides off snowy runway in Maine", "Safety board says cockpit crew caused 2019 Presque Isle crash landing", "Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1120030447, This page was last edited on 4 November 2022, at 18:29. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. I'm personally still waiting to see what happened to the American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. It sounds like visual illusions, problems with the localizer in the snow, and sticking to SOP seem to be some of the biggest factors here. American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. 189k members in the flying community. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Our lawyer told me that I could not say anything regarding this pilot other than "ineligible for rehire" or we could get sued for defamation(?). Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. robertsky (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC), | b1 = , | b2 = , | b3 = , | b4 = , | b5 = , Last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1110621196, On 1 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be, This page was last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10. These are the issues PRD is trying to solve. At least they were at the correct airport. [1]:4 Airport maintenance staff did not have the means to measure localizer alignment directly. I remember her from when I got hired at VX. Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. Let us know in the comments below. The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. Perhaps the craziest example of this was with King Air N13LY, which didn't record the accident flight but instead "During the flight to Fort Yukon, a radio broadcast from an ESPN radio affiliate was received and recorded on channel 1 of the CVR. I am so curious to know why it took so long for really anything to be released about this accident. I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. While she had been a de Havilland Canada DHC-8 first officer with CommutAir, she had received a disciplinary letter and been subject to nine months of monitoring before being allowed to pursue captain upgrade training. commutair 4933 ntsb report. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Flight status, tracking, and historical data for CommutAir 4933 (C54933/UCA4933) 17-Mar-2022 (KIAH-KLFT) including scheduled, estimated, and actual departure and arrival times. Low bid contractor you get what you pay for. This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. Accident Reports are one of the main products of an NTSB investigation. Not sure if this Captain is one of them, but she sure does seem to have had quite a few more failures then I would be comfortable flying with. Hello world! The NTSB also determined that the first officer was fatigued, which contributed to his confirmation bias; that the captain had demonstrated "poor judgment and decision-making" in instructing the first officer to continue the approach although he did not have the runway in sight; and that the ILS localizer was out of tolerance by about 200ft (61m) to the right, a condition that had been noticed during six previous CommutAir flights, including by the accident first officer, but had not been properly reported to the FAA. One pilot & three passenger reported minor injuries. Many were hired right after failures. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The airplane was substantially damaged. This isn't surprising to me at all. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . and our (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC), CommutAir Flight 4933 United Express Flight 4933 Per WP:COMMONNAME, crashes of regional jets operated by contractors under a major airline's regional brand name should use the brand name for easy identification by members of the general public, who are typically unfamiliar with contractors such as CommutAir (not to mention Envoy, Endeavor, Republic, Jazz Aviation, etc.). The plane touched down then slid off the runway. If you have to use the proxy of your company, contact us. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on the flight returning from Columbus, Ohio, where Cassie Daigle was competing in a kettlebell event at the Arnold Sports Expo. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Fired from what airline ? It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. It was a woman. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. Daigle said the plane then bounced four or five times before coming to a stop at a location far from the runway. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. Safety Recommendation Report . By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. The airplane was substantially damaged. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI.