They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. Dani: When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. Didnt say I didnt know how, just not much use for one Bad guy dies. Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. Ever. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it? you are correct. But youll likely carry for years and years, manipulating said weapon an uncountable number of times in the process. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. Also, had a KelTec with a pocket clip, no holster, ever, and a Glock 40 with a clip draw, and you just need the brains to have nothing else in your carry pocket, and you wont have an issue. You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. you roll the dice. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. I keep hearing the words with proper training, like that is the Holy Grail! I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. OH NO! The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. Prices accurate at time of writing. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. 2 you may forget to chamber You learned something. A forum community dedicated to Glock Pistol owners and enthusiasts. Stop buying Glocks. I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . There are also the safety concerns . My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. However, that also creates issues. Length: 7.3. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? And therefore only idiots use it. A S&W Model 329. They are all single-action guns even if the marketing guys play games saying they are 1.5-action or whatever. Congratulations. I once had a grim laugh when one Jethro Bodine (after emerging from his out house) told me he bought a Glock because he could not stand the worry of carrying his 1911 cocked and locked. Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. I carry a single action 1911. This is not remotely comparable to carrying a semiauto with an empty chamber, where the slide must be racked to make the gun ready to fire. But thats good. Still chambered in 9mm, the G19 measures 7.28-inches in total length. Boy, that must be realllll nice. It has been many years since I saw that movie. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. Also thank goodness I dont even have to make THAT choice. Still disagree? Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. In addition to this, some manufacturers have added manual lever safeties to their firearms and XDS has the grip safety as well. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon.*. U.S. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. And you should be, too. Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. Bet you still get stabbed. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. 1:43:08-1:43:32. Which gets me to this. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. There are lots of better choices out there than the glock. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. A loaded GLOCK, some of the comments went, is susceptible to the dreaded GLOCK ND (negligent discharge). /sarc off/. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. Israeli special forces dont empty chamber carry. Now youve introduced a firearm where one might not otherwise have been involved, not to mention triggering the bad guys own sense of self preservation. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. * I submit never. Go. Try it. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. The Last Word. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? Glocks have only mode of carry once you chamber a round. I assume the manual safety was also engaged, but such a strap on the holster sounds pretty good, as well! Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. To chamber or not to chamber? I want something that goes bang when I pull the trigger, and I could care less how heavy or gritty that might be. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. And my Ruger .357. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. Big Bill: Yup. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. June 2016. Absolutely YES!! Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. It worked before. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. Never happened yet I would rather shoot myself in the leg but still be in fight than have bad guy shoot me because I didnt have a chambered round. . If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. Now try looking up punctuation. The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. A typing error, or wishful thinking? I carry all my guns chambered. Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. The safety either keeps the trigger from being pulled or blocks the cartridge from being struck by the firing pin so it cant go off. The most obvious one is we have an external safety. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. Concerning long guns that are stored for home defense, I think that "cruiser ready" is the ideal state of readiness for rifles or shotguns. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? And I dont want to have to think about anything. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. There are any number of guns out there with firing systems that, if dropped, will fire a round under the hammer. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. Maybe you should just use a spork. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. And so easy to correct. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards.